(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[2009 U.S. Go Congress - Board 2 - Liang Jie [7d\] vs Andy Liu [7d\]]PW[Liang, Jie]PB[Liu, Zhiyuan (Andy)]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2009-08-04]EV[2009 U.S. Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Matthew Luce]C[USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the American Go E-journal's coverage of the 2009 US Go Congress!
USGO2 [-\]: Today we're bringing you the top boards at the US Open, the Congress 6-round main tournament
USGO2 [-\]: www.gocongress.org
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[cp]
;W[pd]
;B[qp]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy has two rows of nine stones lines up to the right of the board
]
;W[dd]
;B[eq]C[USGO2 [-\]: Like an ammunition belt
magners [2k\]: do these players have a known kgs accounts?
USGO2 [-\]: Both players are coming out from two consecutive wins in the last two rounds
USGO2 [-\]: So presumably both are confident
USGO2 [-\]: Andy Liu is bigbadwolf
USGO2 [-\]: I don't know about Liang Jie
magners [2k\]: thanks
]
;W[op]
;B[lp]C[norg [3k\]: Is this the NAIM or the US Open?
norg [3k\]: Or are they the same tournament...?
USGO2 [-\]: I would say that Andy had this opening prepared, but neither knew their color before this morning
USGO2 [-\]: US Open
]
;W[pm]C[USGO2 [-\]: Liang looks eager for a fight
]
;B[cf]C[USGO2 [-\]: but Andy tenuki's out of a potentially complex joseki
]
;W[qq]
;B[fc]C[USGO2 [-\]: Another tenuki!
yithril [2d\]: i like it
yithril [2d\]: fasster development
norg [3k\]: I can't help but feel that Andy is being a tad rash...
Boogeyman [3k\]: i forgot, who win between eric and andy?
norg [3k\]: But maybe that's why I'm only 3k!
USGO2 [-\]: Not sure
USGO2 [-\]: Andy is certainly playing faster today, as is his reputation
USGO2 [-\]: He is certainly the younger competitor
USGO2 [-\]: with an age gap of almost 20 years
USGO2 [-\]: This is shaping up to be an interesting game
norg [3k\]: Andy played fast last night and won by resignation :D
USGO2 [-\]: So far, Andy has not gone near the time limit in any of his games
USGO2 [-\]: Andy won fast by resignation yesterday morning as well
patrickn [5k\]: is there a webpage with the tourny info on it? like who beat who?
USGO2 [-\]: www.gocongress.org
patrickn [5k\]: thx
USGO2 [-\]: usgo.org/tournments/crosstab/band-matrix/72?sort+player
USGO2 [-\]: drat
]
;W[ee]
;B[cc]C[USGO2 [-\]: http://usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/72?sort=player
yithril [2d\]: d13 or q4...hmm
USGO2 [-\]: Another quick reply from Andy
]
;W[jp]C[yithril [2d\]: ooh fun
]
;B[hq]
;W[jr]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy adjusts a white stone on the board
USGO2 [-\]: at k4
patrickn [5k\]: heh
USGO2 [-\]: This is a tricky puzzle for Andy
USGO2 [-\]: And the first time he has deliberated for more than ten seconds
Lentar [1k\]: adjusting tesuji
Daoloth [-\]: maybe he's used to blitz
USGO2 [-\]: Liang gives a small sigh
]
;B[ln]
;W[jn]
;B[ll]C[USGO2 [-\]: This is shaping up to be a fighting game
yithril [2d\]: thank god
patrickn [5k\]: heh
]
;W[jl]
;B[lj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy readjusts his ammunition belt as Liang languidly reaches for a stone
magners [2k\]: now the ammunition belt is on the board
patrickn [5k\]: ammunition belt?
]
;W[jj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy often plays with a double row of stones layed out to the right of the board
Lentar [1k\]: hop across board ?
USGO2 [-\]: Andy now hesitates, eyeing his whole board position
]
;B[lh]C[USGO2 [-\]: Another jump!
Lentar [1k\]: hopping across board :)
USGO2 [-\]: This will certainly shape the course of the game!
]
;W[dg]
;B[dc]C[patrickn [5k\]: if they keep putting down stones like that, they will miss the turn off for albuquerque 
USGO2 [-\]: Both players continue to ignore the bottom right position
yithril [2d\]: kind of like white more
]
;W[pp]C[yithril [2d\]: he got d 13 and q 4
patrickn [5k\]: ws jump wall seems to have more potential
yithril [2d\]: wow
]
;B[qk]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy nods as Liang Jie reinforces the corner where Andy first tenuki'd
]
;W[qi]
;B[ok]C[patrickn [5k\]: fast
yithril [2d\]: r14?
USGO2 [-\]: Andy has been responding very quickly, trying to push his opponent into a fast game, where he would have the advantage
patrickn [5k\]: maybe not the best strategy when thye have 2 hours?
patrickn [5k\]: :P
USGO2 [-\]: Andy now has a threat to pull out his stone at r4
]
;W[ql]
;B[rl]
;W[rm]
;B[pl]
;W[qm]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy sacrifices the aji of r4 for speed in the attack
]
;B[qf]C[yithril [2d\]: q14?
]
;W[pf]
;B[pg]
;W[qe]C[magners [2k\]: q14 for making black overconcentrated? or is there more to it?
]
;B[of]
;W[pe]C[yithril [2d\]: mostly but you wanna make sure r 11 dies small
]
;B[qg]
;W[og]C[yithril [2d\]: and with the mot compensation
yithril [2d\]: *most
]
;B[nf]C[yithril [2d\]: omg
USGO2 [-\]: Andy wants to fight this out
yithril [2d\]: cool
USGO2 [-\]: But it looks dangerous for him
yithril [2d\]: how to use r 10
USGO2 [-\]: Liang was looking for outside thickness in exchange for territory, but Andy is unwilling to compromise
USGO2 [-\]: If Liang can't manage a kill, an unfavorable trade may be in order
Annunaki [-\]: white resign
USGO2 [-\]: Andy clicks his tongue and a sighs slightly. What does he see?
Lentar [1k\]: how do u click ur tounge
yithril [2d\]: a crucial question
Lentar [1k\]: ye
]
;W[pj]C[yithril [2d\]: hmm
yithril [2d\]: okay
Lentar [1k\]: lol that was the move i thought
USGO2 [-\]: Liang Jie may have found the trade he's looking for
yithril [2d\]: good job
]
;B[pk]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy drops the stone into place so it slides slightly and bumps the other stones
norg [3k\]: He's drunk!
Lentar [1k\]: thorough
USGO2 [-\]: Almost recklessly
USGO2 [-\]: Still not willing to compromise
norg [3k\]: It looks like Andy might have to work for it after this...
derp [1k\]: these descriptions are great, usgo
USGO2 [-\]: Liang shakes his head slightly, in disbelief
Lentar [1k\]: lol
USGO2 [-\]: But disbelief in his own position, or the audacity of his young opponent?
freddygo [5k\]: how old is jie liang?
Lentar [1k\]: 98
USGO2 [-\]: Mid-30s, I estimate
Lentar [1k\]: i was close
freddygo [5k\]: is he the one who won the us open 1998, 2002, 2003 and 2004?
ethanb [2d?\]: nope - that's Jie Li
Phear [-\]: time for player card? =D
freddygo [5k\]: i thought they were the same person, why isnt jie li participating in this tournament
USGO2 [-\]: Jie Li is also younger
USGO2 [-\]: He is a law student at this very school
]
;W[oh]
;B[ph]
;W[oi]
;B[pi]C[USGO2 [-\]: Lightning fast responses from Andy Liu
USGO2 [-\]: He has clearly read this out
freddygo [5k\]: he doesnt want to participate because he has proven himself too strong already?
cjalden [2k\]: he probably is just focusing on the ING tmt
USGO2 [-\]: There are other tournaments, he may be playing in the Ing Masters
USGO2 [-\]: This looks like a capture race now, How can white extend his liberties?
Lentar [1k\]: doesnt r10 work
USGO2 [-\]: Will Andy let him trade r11 to escape with p13?
USGO2 [-\]: r10 and then what?
Phear [-\]: i think it exchanges b taking p11 stones for w getting out
Lentar [1k\]: r10 then 2 options i saw
USGO2 [-\]: After p10, things are tough for white
USGO2 [-\]: Can white still win if he cuts his losses?
USGO2 [-\]: Stay tuned to find out!
]
;W[oj]C[freddygo [5k\]: if r10, b s12, right
]
;B[qj]
;W[rh]C[USGO2 [-\]: Another quick reply from Andy
]
;B[re]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy again refuses to compromise!
]
;W[rd]
;B[ri]
;W[rf]
;B[rg]
;W[se]C[BlueBossa [7k\]: can we call this a compromise if black loses r13 ?
]
;B[qh]C[USGO2 [-\]: But now he may faces gote anyway
]
;W[mg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy must now risk a complicated fight or accept the sacrifice of five stones for the m12 and white's thickness
]
;B[dj]C[Phear [-\]: this B must have read his "Get Strong at Gote" book he's very good at it =O
USGO2 [-\]: But he tenuki's!
]
;W[cg]
;B[df]
;W[ef]
;B[be]C[USGO2 [-\]: Black is still on the attack
USGO2 [-\]: White now owes a move around e12, or else he can tenuki as well and take a big bite at n14
Lentar [1k\]: if b s12 white woulda connected up tho
]
;W[cl]C[evave [4k\]: n16  so big :(
]
;B[eg]C[USGO2 [-\]: White is reading out the top left carefully
yithril [2d\]: d11?
]
;W[di]
;B[cj]C[yithril [2d\]: then f13 drive out?
USGO2 [-\]: Black once again refuses to compromise
USGO2 [-\]: Demanding a difficult fight
Phear [-\]: why compromise when you're andy liu? :)
yithril [2d\]: seriously
]
;W[ej]
;B[ek]
;W[ci]C[yithril [2d\]: ok better
Phear [-\]: i heard andy once compromised with death.... he let it live
USGO2 [-\]: Black now faces a choice, but a pleasant one
]
;B[bj]C[freddygo [5k\]: whats the other choice?
Lentar [1k\]: wasnt that chuck
Phear [-\]: nope
USGO2 [-\]: Take c8 or attack at f13
Lentar [1k\]: ye chuck wouldnt compromise
USGO2 [-\]: Although b10 threatens e11, d12
USGO2 [-\]: Although it is a more complicated choice than a simple f10, d9
Phear [-\]: e11, d12 doesn't workyet
]
;W[dk]
;B[bi]C[yithril [2d\]: kind of just wanna extend or f 11 but i dunno
Phear [-\]: but lots of aji to abuse there :)
yithril [2d\]: ooh!
]
;W[fj]C[yithril [2d\]: cut first then extend
yithril [2d\]: love this game, learning a lot
Phear [-\]: i will put 50 pesos on B
USGO2 [-\]: This looks tricky for Andy, and he exhales sharply
]
;B[bg]C[USGO2 [-\]: A tough trade for him
]
;W[el]
;B[fg]C[USGO2 [-\]: He gets his attack, but White is now very thick
USGO2 [-\]: And white still has n14
Phear [-\]: still aji around e11
Phear [-\]: looks tough for w o.O
USGO2 [-\]: Several stones click in Andy's hands
]
;W[gd]C[jewel [1k\]: c12 big for black?
]
;B[me]C[USGO2 [-\]: Another fighting move from Andy Liu
eskalation [1k\]: looks small to me
]
;W[mf]
;B[nd]C[eskalation [1k\]: c12 i mean
nedp [?\]: c12 safety
USGO2 [-\]: But he protects his cutting point, and this looks more focused on territory
]
;W[le]
;B[ld]C[jewel [1k\]: he has to protect to attack white
]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]
;W[lc]
;B[md]
;W[ke]C[Ceiter [1k\]: I think C12 will be big when F13 is otherwise dead. It's not yet, and I doubt W will protect C12 anytime soon.
USGO2 [-\]: Black must now be wary of a counter attack on e13
jewel [1k\]: yeah but w has to start making territory
]
;B[lb]
;W[jc]
;B[mc]C[eskalation [1k\]: b c12 wouldnt fit the way, black has played so far
USGO2 [-\]: Liang Jie eyes the very same stones at e13
USGO2 [-\]: That would be enough to fill his belly
Annunaki [-\]: Is there a way for us to save this game?
USGO2 [-\]: Yes
USGO2 [-\]: Options, save to disk
MooCow [?\]: you cant review it while it's going on though
Phear [-\]: clone in another room, then save as you exit
eskalation [1k\]: options -> copy game
nedp [?\]: view offline
Annunaki [-\]: okay thank you
Annunaki [-\]: Usgo please leave us a bit of time before closing game at the end of it ..:)
Gresil [-\]: the game will also be saved in usgo2's game history
Gresil [-\]: it won't vanish anywhere
USGO2 [-\]: Andy holds a stone between index and middle finger and examines it, before adjusting his formation at n17
]
;W[oc]C[USGO2 [-\]: Liang seems to be eyeing the kill
]
;B[lf]C[freddygo [5k\]: black is in total control
USGO2 [-\]: Another lightning fast response from Andy Liu!
]
;W[ki]
;B[lg]
;W[li]
;B[mi]
;W[mj]
;B[mh]
;W[lk]
;B[mk]
;W[kj]
;B[nj]
;W[ml]
;B[lj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Liang Jie looks for ko threats
USGO2 [-\]: Andy takes a deep breath
USGO2 [-\]: Things are hard for white all over the board
]
;W[dq]
;B[dp]
;W[mj]
;B[nk]C[yithril [2d\]: yeah he got owned
USGO2 [-\]: Now even if white takes m6, he faces attack at j13 or thereabouts
yithril [2d\]: n7 seems only viable option but messy
evave [4k\]: n7 
]
;W[nm]
;B[om]
;W[nn]
;B[on]C[yithril [2d\]: ok
yithril [2d\]: cool
USGO2 [-\]: White hesitates before o7
USGO2 [-\]: Liang shakes his head slightly
]
;W[no]
;B[gf]
;W[if]C[freddygo [5k\]: what is andy's style of play called?
]
;B[fd]C[nemoneko [5k\]: death
Phear [-\]: amazing
jewel [1k\]: tenukirama
]
;W[er]C[Phear [-\]: i'd actually call it territorial
]
;B[dr]C[cjalden [2k\]: hyper-aggressive
Phear [-\]: but with good fighting
]
;W[fq]
;B[ep]C[jm1107 [3k\]: how time remaining?
Annunaki [-\]: a game to save in deed
freddygo [5k\]: no... whole board fighter who loves miai strategy...
USGO2 [-\]: 1 hour 44 minutes left for Andy Liu
USGO2 [-\]: 1 hour 1 minute left for Liang Jie
]
;W[pn]
;B[io]
;W[jo]C[freddygo [5k\]: he doesnt think :( he has the advantages of hare and tortoise combined
]
;B[ih]C[jewel [1k\]: e11 possible now too?
litlecolek [1d\]: c 12
USGO2 [-\]: no need for e11
Daoloth [-\]: e11 looks like endgame to me
USGO2 [-\]: very small
jewel [1k\]: not now, but for endgame
]
;W[id]
;B[ge]C[freddygo [5k\]: its already endgame
USGO2 [-\]: It is most certainly not endgame
USGO2 [-\]: A life-and death puzzle ensues
freekevin [13k\]: wthite is leading the game ?
Phear [-\]: if SE says so then it is
tornemhi [1d\]: depends on l15 live or death
changoyu: white less than 80 points
changoyu: black should lead 10+
]
;W[jh]C[changoyu: B is not greedy, he just needs to gain enough to win
]
;B[jg]
;W[ig]C[Phear [-\]: i count w ahead
]
;B[ii]C[GovLarry [2d\]: H12?
Lentar [1k\]: me2
]
;W[hh]
;B[hi]C[GovLarry [2d\]: G11
]
;W[gh]C[USGO2 [-\]: Andy gives a sharp intake of breath
]
;B[kh]C[changoyu: L9 is a potential problem
changoyu: her it comes
monk316 [1k\]: nice play by play
jewel [1k\]: n7 first?
USGO2 [-\]: Andy gets up for more water
GovLarry [2d\]: white has to connect?
changoyu: I think so
Lentar [1k\]: where?
derp [1k\]: l9 doesn't seem to quite work for b?
derp [1k\]: I mean after k11
nemoneko [5k\]: how much time is left on both clocks?
]
;W[ji]C[USGO2 [-\]: 51 minutes for white, about 1 hour 40 minutes for black
freddygo [5k\]: wow
]
;B[kk]
;W[jk]C[freddygo [5k\]: black does most of his thinking during white's turn
]
;B[mm]
;W[nl]
;B[lj]C[freddygo [5k\]: unbelievable
eskalation [1k\]: lol
]
;W[lo]C[freddygo [5k\]: too strong
changoyu: w lost a lot here
]
;B[ko]C[Lentar [1k\]: white ahead
]
;W[mo]C[Lentar [1k\]: gained more than he lost
siruos [?\]: And kept sente.
]
;B[iq]C[sellen [15k\]: L7???
Wizze [1d\]: no sente for w
]
;W[jq]
;B[kn]C[Gresil [-\]: l17 doesn't to anything
]
;W[kp]C[siruos [?\]: Sente for Black, who is leading now.
]
;B[im]C[changoyu: W is still  70+ points
changoyu: B around 90
eskalation [1k\]: nah
]
;W[hl]C[derp [1k\]: both around 75, I think
eskalation [1k\]: white is leading by a few points, but black has more potential
Lentar [1k\]: white is leading by a few yes
Remember [2k\]: this game has progressed much more quickly
Lentar [1k\]: 5points maby
]
;B[jm]C[eskalation [1k\]: i sill think black will win
eskalation [1k\]: *still
GovLarry [2d\]: L8
Lentar [1k\]: black hasa alot of potential
Lentar [1k\]: end game moves 
Lentar [1k\]: yes
tornemhi [1d\]: i think around rigth bottom corner is not endgame
tornemhi [1d\]: lots of points there
mitora [6k\]: l8 ko is best option?
]
;W[il]C[GovLarry [2d\]: looks like white is comfortable
]
;B[in]C[changoyu: no, he has to go j8
changoyu: no choice
Luffyop [2k\]: i think white will win 
USGO2 [-\]: Buckle in for a long game, this will go into the endgame
eskalation [1k\]: is anyone taking bets ? 
Annunaki [-\]: m3
changoyu: white has to do something
]
;W[bo]
;B[lq]C[Annunaki [-\]: yes i win
freddygo [5k\]: what does m3 do?
jewel [1k\]: puts pressure on k3
USGO2 [-\]: Is this just a probe, or does Andy see something?
jewel [1k\]: maybe seki?
iampuh [1d\]: w has to play in his own territory to remove this group
magners [2k\]: gives j2 as sente?
tornemhi [1d\]: no
Luffyop [2k\]: and like this white can t cut j 4
USGO2 [-\]: Liang Jie clicks his tongue and shakes his head
Lentar [1k\]: he can force capture at worst maby
Wizze [1d\]: won t be seki
tornemhi [1d\]: but if he extends white need to fill his territory
gargl: maybe he just wants j2 in sente
USGO2 [-\]: That is possible
USGO2 [-\]: But if Andy sees a chance, he'll take it
tornemhi [1d\]: and black can close his corner better i think
USGO2 [-\]: He gets up and uses the restroom
A1R [8k\]: time usgo2?
USGO2 [-\]: Black 1 hour 37 minutes
USGO2 [-\]: white 42 minutes
A1R [8k\]: ok thx
]
;W[lr]
;B[mr]
;W[mq]
;B[kr]
;W[ls]
;B[ks]
;W[kq]
;B[ms]
;W[lr]
;B[ir]
;W[js]C[yithril [2d\]: hmm
Annunaki [-\]: :(
]
;B[ls]
;W[mp]
;B[ei]C[Annunaki [-\]: black strikes back same way
USGO2 [-\]: There is some dispute about captured stones
changoyu: I think there is still 10+ diff
USGO2 [-\]: since instead of playing back at m2 after removal, white simply takes out m1
USGO2 [-\]: so Andy only got one captured stone
USGO2 [-\]: In Chinese rules this would make no difference
USGO2 [-\]: but most players count Japanese style here
USGO2 [-\]: So the one capture may matter
Annunaki [-\]: it s aga
Luffyop [2k\]: what s is the difference between japanese chinese and AGA
Luffyop [2k\]: ?.,
USGO2 [-\]: Just counting style
USGO2 [-\]: Chinese style counts territory + stones on the board
Annunaki [-\]: aga is like chinese
magners [2k\]: also different ko rules?
USGO2 [-\]: Japanese counts territory plus captures
USGO2 [-\]: Ko is the same
freddygo [5k\]: f11 only choice?
Annunaki [-\]: but + a point on komi smthg like that
]
;W[eh]
;B[fk]C[jewel [1k\]: e12 only choice
changoyu: getting big
Desperis [7k\]: doesn't chinese rules allow suicide ?
USGO2 [-\]: I don't think that's much of an issue here
USGO4 [-\]: http://www.gokgs.com/help/rulesets.html
changoyu: I guess the game will end here
bolbi [-\]: desperis = no
martin3141 [3k\]: hello
]
;W[gj]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]
;B[em]
;W[dl]
;B[gm]
;W[fn]
;B[gl]C[freddygo [5k\]: e12, now black e9 escaped!
USGO2 [-\]: This one's for all the marbles, ladies and gentlemen!
]
;W[gn]
;B[hm]C[USGO2 [-\]: White could live and face a close endgame still
]
;W[dn]
;B[kl]C[MooCow [?\]: question : chinese rules(aga rules as well) counts the territory + player's stones(b player counts b stones as their points)?
USGO2 [-\]: yes
eskalation [1k\]: b+3 or some
]
;W[hk]C[USGO3 [-\]: New Zealand rules allow suicide. That's why they are used when recording Ing games.
]
;B[co]
;W[bn]
;B[cn]
;W[cm]
;B[am]C[eskalation [1k\]: oh
jewel [1k\]: or white could die and lose
tornemhi [1d\]: live 
MooCow [?\]: i see... i've always counted territories+ captures >_> so im way off if i count that in kgs?
MooCow [?\]: oh wait, there's a rule set, nvm
MooCow [?\]: but what's the universal rule set?
Phear [-\]: depends on tournament
Tryss [4k\]: Go troll elsewhere ^^
eskalation [1k\]: oh i didnt count AGA either
USGO2 [-\]: It looks like white can live, but with painfully small territory
gargl: how ?
jewel [1k\]: i read it as alive too
Annunaki [-\]: white resign
jewel [1k\]: with b4
MooCow [?\]: are both rules equally used throughout the world?
siruos [?\]: Whtie doesn't have an eye on the left side.
USGO2 [-\]: a8
freddygo [5k\]: dead
pastlink [3k\]: b7 ?
eskalation [1k\]: b4 be b7 a8
USGO2 [-\]: oh nevermind
eskalation [1k\]: doesnt look alive to me
Annunaki [-\]: there is more chineses in the world , maybe chinese rules more used...
raifu [3k\]: when is the next round of NAIM
changoyu: as I said, it ends here
Jadeite [?\]: MooCow, maybe better to ask in one of the rooms than this game
jewel [1k\]: what can black play after b4?
derp [1k\]: b4 b3
Phear [-\]: check back in about 8 hours raifu
Phear [-\]: or 7
chase [2d\]: a6
raifu [3k\]: ok
derp [1k\]: a6 b4
]
;W[an]
;B[bp]
;W[bk]C[chase [2d\]: b9
]
;B[bm]C[jewel [1k\]: ??
USGO2 [-\]: over
Annunaki [-\]: white is deeply destabilized
Phear [-\]: dreams dont come true in this game
Luffyop [2k\]: over
changoyu: Thanks
jewel [1k\]: why didn't he play b4?
changoyu: Andy is really strong
USGO2 [-\]: Black + resign
Phear [-\]: congrats to andy
magners [2k\]: thanks USGO2, nice commentary!
freddygo [5k\]: b4 leads to death
A1R [8k\]: who
A1R [8k\]: whooo
USGO2 [-\]: They are counting the score were it to be alive
A1R [8k\]: yeah 
A1R [8k\]: which rank would andy has as a pro? difficult to say?
watanyu [1d\]: uhm 
jewel [1k\]: i still say b4 lives
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eskalation [1k\]: b4 b3 a6 a4
eskalation [1k\]: the same
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